tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3219095962908602353.post8744552031915985635..comments2020-02-06T20:53:42.493-08:00Comments on Vision Distortion: Elsie DinsmoreTwisted Visionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10256913816118640573noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3219095962908602353.post-89071408658219599482020-02-06T20:53:42.493-08:002020-02-06T20:53:42.493-08:00"Lets not be so judgmental about these childr..."Lets not be so judgmental about these children's books written in the 1800s" slavery was permitted in the 1800s too, shall we not be judgmental about that either? Your argument is disgusting and makes absolutely no sense, she was still a SLAVE OWNER who kept this overseer on after a brutal beating, regardless of the punishment. Imagine giving this book to a little BLACK Christian girl, as I was when I read them when I was ten. I told my father about what happened in them, excitedly as I wasn't able to make sound judgment as a child (you know, what Elsie is in the story) and he demanded we give them away. I feel bad for your daughters. Harleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10239595581251393146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3219095962908602353.post-35058632246641170242019-04-29T14:56:26.494-07:002019-04-29T14:56:26.494-07:00"To the pure, all things are pure." But ..."To the pure, all things are pure." But St. Paul was talking about dietary restrictions and how, while some Christians may abstain from meat "for conscience sake," others see no harm in eating meat and so are free to allow themselves a more lenient set of standards. St. Paul was NOT talking about implied pedophilia, nor was he alluding to incestuous overtones in a parent-child relationship. Some things are just plain WRONG, and the Bible makes no bones about that. If you are going to quote the Good Book that's just fine, but please don't change the context of a scriptural passage!Hollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02691121017432837058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3219095962908602353.post-3016270822047610702018-07-08T12:05:54.474-07:002018-07-08T12:05:54.474-07:00The author was not southern. She was born in ohio...The author was not southern. She was born in ohio.Erin Tugglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15791511884198900479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3219095962908602353.post-76251261999927881402018-03-25T22:42:40.707-07:002018-03-25T22:42:40.707-07:00To the pure, all things are pure. You ladies have ...To the pure, all things are pure. You ladies have some interesting repressed leanings. AniAdirahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10212000852087709436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3219095962908602353.post-76180164864658290912017-12-22T08:25:30.999-08:002017-12-22T08:25:30.999-08:00I wholly agree with your assessment of the Elsie b...I wholly agree with your assessment of the Elsie books and with the various points you raise. I myself read the series as a kid and even then, young and naive as I was, I noticed the incestuous overtones. And yes, "icky" was the word I used! Elsie's father was continually taking her on his knee, kissing and fondling his 8-year-old daughter in purple prose passages that read like a Harlequin romance. Their relationship came across as a sick Freudian attachment, inappropriate for young readers of ANY century. And to make it worse, Elsie's father also allowed her to be kissed and caressed by his best bud, Mr. Travilla, who in his own words DESIRED this 8-year-old child from the get-go. And let's not forget the all-pervading racism that is, arguably, even more offensive. I'll never forget how Elsie gave "spiritual instruction" to the children she owned as chattel, assuring them that "they wouldn't be Negroes in heaven." She saw nothing wrong with buying and selling human beings, but she would have DIED rather than sing a frivolous song on the Sabbath. Her priorities were sadly skewed and twisted. Don't look too closely at Elsie's theology because there are gaping holes in the logic and major inconsistencies. She reminds me of the Biblical Pharisees who, according to Jesus, "strained at a gnat but swallowed a camel." In short, these books may have some interest as social Americana, but for adult viewing only. IMO they are not acceptable for anyone under age 14. Hollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02691121017432837058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3219095962908602353.post-68568925993905567062013-10-17T12:57:17.964-07:002013-10-17T12:57:17.964-07:00I read one of these books b/c it was highly recomm...I read one of these books b/c it was highly recommended in home-school circles and found it too boring and prissy to continue the series.EMSoliDeoGloriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07596445382429048440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3219095962908602353.post-19992368919551010392013-06-03T17:33:22.757-07:002013-06-03T17:33:22.757-07:00I actually found the Elsie books incredibly intere...I actually found the Elsie books incredibly interesting and while I disliked some things about the book, as a young girl I enjoyed them tremendously and even now I see hardly anything wrong with them. Yes, it was a different culture back then and it wasn't wrong for girls to show affection to their fathers. Also, I thought Elsie and Mr. Travilla's relationship was a little strange but the book makes it clear that Mr. Travilla was several years younger than Mr. Dinsmore and the age difference wasn't that shocking in my opinion. Next, I wanted to clear up a few things. The overseer of Viamede was punished for his treatment of the slave and beatings were strictly forbidden on the plantation thereafter. Elsie's behavior toward her father in regards to keeping the Sabbath was not as rebellious as this article makes it seem. She simply refused to go against her conscience and you can't expect a true Christian to disobey their conscience as silly as that may seem. <br />Lets not be so judgmental about these children's books written in the 1800's. They are so much better than most of the books our kids read these days and why shouldn't our young girls have good role models? These books caused me to grow in my faith and I learned that even when everyone else forsakes you, you can still count on God. He will never leave you or forsake you. I also learned about true beauty and not to just listen to what the culture tells us about beauty. Elsie dressed simply despite how her peers dressed or what she could afford and she wore her hair down in ringlets (honoring her father) instead of following all the latest trends. Elsie was a great role model and companion for me when I was young and I will let my daughters have the same experience. <br />Btw, Vision Forum never hurt anyone either.<br />God bless!Moriahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05025090792568469136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3219095962908602353.post-48036031037055681502010-12-08T04:34:03.858-08:002010-12-08T04:34:03.858-08:00http://www.literaturecollection.com/a/o_henry/231/...http://www.literaturecollection.com/a/o_henry/231/shadowspringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15172112981244682382noreply@blogger.com